In any episode where Ash battles with Charmeleon, it never listens to him. But Ash has the Marsh Badge! According to PokéMon books and web-sites, if you have the Marsh Badge, all PokéMon with experience under level 50 will listen to you. And since Charmeleon evolves at level 40, I'd say this is a slip-up.
Charmeleon evolves at Level WHAT?! Charmander evolves at Level 16, and Charmeleon evolves at Level 36. Now, it's true that the Marsh Badge makes all Pokemon under Level 50 obey. However, we have no evidence as to what level ol' Char is. Judging from Damien's comments, Charmander was weak, which probably means that it was at a low level. When you get a Charmander from a Pokemon Prof, it's at Level 5, and when a baby Charmander hatches, it's at Level 5, too. Perhaps Charmander gained a few levels under Damien, but ultimately was shunned. When Ash appropriated it, he battled with it and rose it up, perhaps past level 50, because Ash has this thing against evolving Pokemon (aside from Char, only Pidgeotto, Caterpie and Krabby have evolved). However, maybe when he did evolve, Ash was tired of stopping him and gave in. And, as we all know, evolved Pokemon are more beliggerent than their weaker forms, so Charmeleon was less afraid of crossing Ash. Now the only question is, how the heck DO you stop a Pokemon from evolving? Say "Cut that out! That's disgusting!"; perhaps?
okie-doke!, charmander already has attacks like flamethrower, fire spin, a charmander learns flamethrower at level 46, and it learns fire spin at level 55, so I'd say charmander is above level 50, and also, it's a show, shows aren't suppose to be the same as the game, after Ash gets his earth badge, his charzard still don't listen to him, and earth badge is suppose to make all level obey.
Yes, the earthbadge makes all Pokemon obey, but the show doesn't have to be exact with the game. There are many disrepencies between the show and the game.
Badges only make Pokemon obey by helping them to respect you as a trainer. Charizard doesn't care how many badges Ash has got, he still has the world's most embarrassing moron as a trainer and will never consider Ash downright worthy of his company.
That's actually a very good point, Mars G! Here's a list of things Ash should do:
Eat Rare Candy after every meal
Discipline Charizard properly
Collect 16 badges instead of the usual eight
Battle against Pokémon himself. No stones allowed, just kicking and punching. Oh, and bad breath.
Charizard doesn't listen to Ash because HE'S A BAD TRAINER!!! have we ever seen him train Charizard or any other pokemon he has (except for the fight between Brock and Ash - Pikachu vs Vulpix in that episode i forgot it's name) in "Charizard chills" Ash saved Charizard's life so only then Charizard realized something about Ash
I have said this over and over again. The R.B/Y is different than the anime! The badges only use in the anime is that it let's Ash into the league. In the anime, there is no such thing as a Pokemon having a level.
Sure there is! Haven't you ever seen the "School of Hard Knocks"? Graveler can successfully survive Starmie's Water Gun and take it down in one blow with TACKLE. The explanation? Different levels.
But...but...but how do they evolve if they don't have levels? Except for trading and stones. And I'm sure there's been episodes when Pokémon that normally evolve by Trade have evolved by themselves.
I think trading a Pokemon like Graveler, Kadabra, Haunter, or Machoke only gives it the ABILITY to evolve... the transformation doesn't have to take place right then and there.
ya know, the game and the show are two different things, in the show, pokemon evolve after a really strong experience, for example, charmander stopped a half of a herd of executors, paras hit chameleon and knocked him on the ground, metapot defeat a beedrill, caterpie beat team rocket, and all these unexpected things, that's how pokemon evolve in the show, in the game, you gave rare candy and train pokemon to grow levels to evolve, and there's no such thing as a "rare candy" (well maybe there is, but it is just a normal candy that is so hard to find) in the show, so just deal with it.
Now hold on just one cotton-picking minute! In Pokémon, The First Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back, Charizard obeys Ash all the time! How d'ya explain that, eh?
Hold on a sec, guys! Ash is a good trainer! He finished in the top 16 in the Pokémon League and won a Orange League trophy at the Orange Islands!
Either that or I'm even more stupid than Ash.
And I also forgot to mention that the Rainbow badge makes Pokémon under level 50 obey you in the game. The Marsh badge makes Pokémon under L70 obey you.
I've got a few things to say:
1. Ash is not a bad trainer. He beat the Orange Crew and got an Orange League trophy.
2. Ash doesn't have to eat Rare Candy after every meal, there is no need for him to abandon his Pokémon and fight oppents using his hands and feet, and Charizard is becoming a good Pokémon.
3. Marsh Badge n. 1. A badge that makes Pokémon under level 70 in the Game Boy game obey you.
4. Ash should be doing this: Collecting all 8 badges in the Johto League and training hard.
Surely Ash wouldn't mind Charmeleon evolving? He'd have a cooler Pokémon to show off, even if it didn't obey him. Charmeleon didn't in the first place. And Charizard listens to him in the Movie. BTW, the first movie DID suck. It sucked even more for me: my sister wanted to see it even though she had the book, and she forced my mother and I to watch it. I couldn't sleep in the cinema for all the six-year-olds screaming, "Pikachu! Pikachu! Pikachu!!! Chu!!!!! Pika!" and, "Char.... izard! Roar!"
I almost got to sleep when...
"EXEGGUTOR!!!!!!! ODDISH!!!!!!!! EXEGGUTOR!!!!!!! ODDISH!!!!"
*groan*
Straying from the subject, are we? Let's face it, nothing is going to happen if we keep on arguing.
P.S. I like Mars's ideas. (I'm assuming) he knows something about Pokémon and he says intelligent things to this discussion.
Well I've got news for you, Silver. There are definitely more than 8 badges in the league. Remember the episode "Bad to the Bone"? The Marowak trainer had 8 completely new badges!
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